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Scoot Bidstrap's [sic] Conspiratorial Diatribe on History I am accustomed to skeptics providing simple summaries of history and Christianity, but this takes the chocolate cake. Cowboy cum scholar Scott Bidstrup offers us a soup-condensded, conspiracy-laden view of how he thinks Christian origins went. For the most part he simply lifts uncritically whatever he can pick up from the sources he already agrees with (Finkelstein, Spong, Doherty, etc -- works whose conclusions are highly in dispute, and/or we have addressed elsewhere on this page). Don't expect critical interaction with other points of view -- it's likely he doesn't even think they exist outside of your local snake-handler school. I will limit myself to addressing areas related only directly to the Biblical text, since that is my area of specialty. Many of Bidstrup's comments are vague generalizations or of no dispute, and we'll have no comment on those. Prehistory to 1850 B.C.E. -- Borrowed [by Genesis] from the Epic of Gilgamesh are stories of the creation of man in a wondrous garden, the introduction of evil into a naive world, and the story of a great flood brought on by the wickedness of man, that flooded the whole world. This is the standard line, but the consensus outside of Bidstrup's limited circle of agreeable writers is that the Epic of Gilgamesh and Genesis represent parallel developments from a common core -- not that one borrowed from another. See here. The problem is that we don't really have any good archeaological evidence to support the Abraham story, and there is much archaeological evidence to contradict it. The land where Abraham supposedly settled, the southern highlands of Palestine (from Jerusalem south the the Valley of Beersheba) is very sparse in archaeological evidence from this period. A question I would ask here is, "What are we expecting?" A tablet that mentions Eridu the farmer and says he filed a lawsuit is, I would think, good evidence that Eridu existed and filed a lawsuit. What "archaeological evidence" does Bidstrup want of Abraham (other than the OT record, which he simply doesn't accept) and why do we not need more evidence for Eridu? I do not refer here to evidence for miraculous acts, or the intervention of God -- no one argues that we have support for that archaeologically. What I want to know is, why does this suggest that there is a problem? Bidstrup writes: It is clear from the archaeological record that its population was extremely sparse - no more than a few hundred people in the entire region, and the sole occupants of the area during this time were nomadic pastoralists, much like the Bedouin of the region today. We know from clear archaeological evidence that the peoples known as the Phillistines never even entered the region until the 12th century B.C.E., and the "city of Gerar" in which Isaac, the son of Abraham, had his encounter with Abimelech, the "king of the Phillistines" (in Genesis 26:1) was in fact a tiny, insignificant rural village up until the 8th century B.C.E. It couldn't have been the capital of the regional king of a people who didn't yet exist! Again, what is the problem? Abe was a nomadic pastoralist. There is nothing against him being one of those "few hundred people" that Bidstrup tells us about -- other than what we have already refuted -- pardon me while I plagiarize myself:
The Problem of the Exodus Story and the First Great Revision of Judaism -- in this section Bidstrup is far behind the times. Once again, I may be systematizing this information at a later date, but before Bidstrup can be given credence, he needs to deal with the data showing the validity of the new Egyptian chronology offered by David Rohl and others. Bidstrup next endorses the JEDP theory of Israel's history -- of rival groups of Js and Es. But as shown here there is little support for this thesis beyond the works of those whose careers depend on it. A large portion of Bidstrup's material is rendered moot by this simple fact. Much of what follows is merely the usual of JEDP hypothesists, who must create a new history (completely without documentary or archaeological evidence) to explain the literary construct they have put together. Jeremiah's Failed Prophesy of Exile in Babylon and The Fourth Great Revision -- the generalization if offered that "Jeremiah's message was that God is dependent on man to carry out his wishes in the world, a view very much in contrast to the writers of Exodus, who had Yahweh being a powerful, independent and even capricious god." No cites are offered in support of this, so I will simply dismiss it until proven. It is said that Jeremiah "predicted that Babylon would conquer Palestine and the occupants of that land would spend 70 years in captivity by the rivers of Babylon. Well, the captivity happened, but it didn't last 70 years. We know from secular sources that it actually lasted from 586 to 538 B.C.E., a period of only 48 years." This is answered here. Then his wife died, and Ezekiel was forbidden to mourn. Instead, he had to lie down on one side for 390 days and then on the other for 40. On another occasion, he was required to eat excrement. For a period of five years, he spoke to no one. Yahweh had not just become a violent and jealous god, he was also demanding and irrational at times. No wonder Ezekiel complained about the burden of being a prophet. Demanding and irrational? This begs the question of whether Zeke had a legitimate message to preach -- of course for a skeptic, this is irrational and demanding. Such emotional rhetoric is of no worth, and it is bigotry of the highest order to refer to this in terms of "a circus performer". (See here for a corrective to this type of thinking.) For the matter of Isaiah not being a unity, see here. Bidstrup's attempt to divide the prophets by their portrayal of God as "tranquil" vs. judgmental is a false dichotomy that assumes it is impossible to be either one as situations arise in time. The Christian Era and the Last Great Revision of Judaism -- Bidstrup uncritically accepts the "Cynic sage" thesis of Mack, but does not discuss it at all; for a refutation of this thesis, see Boyd's Cynic Sage or Son of God? Bidstrup also hints at endorsement of the Christ-myth; see here for a debunking of that position. Bidstrup next seeks to apply the Negative Evidence Principle to the NT records, thusly: ...you have good reason for not believing in a proposition if the following three principles are satisfied: First, all of the evidence supporting the proposition has been shown to be unreliable. Second, there is no evidence supporting the proposition when the evidence should be there if the proposition is true. And third, a thorough and exhaustive search has been made for supporting evidence where it should be found. And the application, other than inadequate consideration of the secular references (see above link)? We have:
On NEP Principle 2: The next stricture of the Negative Evidence Principle is that there isn't any sound evidence where there should be, and here again this stricture is met. First, there are no records whatever of Jesus' life in the Roman records of the era. That's surprising, since he stirred up so much unrest, at least by Biblical accounts. There at least ought to be a record of his arrest and trial, or some of the political notoriety the gospel writers describe. Yet the Roman histories are silent, even though they are quite thorough (Flavius Josephus alone wrote dozens of volumes, many of which survive, and he is far from the only historian of Palestine in this period whose writings have survived in some form). Second, as mentioned, there is no reliable account in Josephus. Bidstrup somehow seems to not know that there are no Roman records from this era left at all. He is also grossly overestimating Jesus' influence in a political context. See the linked essay above on the secular references. He provides the name of no Roman historian who otherwise should have made light of Jesus (and Tacitus does make note of him). Josephus was a historian who was so very thorough he would write a three page history of the trial and execution of a common thief, and wrote extensively about John the Baptist, but on Jesus, his two small references are seriously doubted by scholars as being genuine. Bidstrup doesn't name this "common thief" Josephus writes about, nor give a reference, but the section of Johnny B. is no longer than the longer reference to Jesus -- even without interpolations; and it is mostly about Herod Antipas, not John. Again, Bidstrup reports inadequately about Josephus and the Testimonium reference. It is especially dishonest that he cites Feldman, who believes that the Testimonium is mostly genuine! On NEP part 3: The third stricture of the N.E.P. holds that we must have conducted a thorough and exhaustive sweep for evidence where there should be evidence. Indeed, thousands of scholars, religionists, crusaders, apologists and skeptics alike have searched for such evidence since the earliest days of the Christian era. That they haven't found any reliable evidence that should have been there says that the third stricture has been clearly satisfied. This is extremely vague and begs the question of excluding the NT as evidence -- are such extra demands placed on the records of Tacitus or Livy? And what evidence do we not have that we should (which we have not already addressed, viz. Doherty, above)? After this Bidstrup offers his own version of how he thinks Christianity began. He proposes a view from "scholars" (though he names none) that "the Jesus myth began as a social movement to 'reJudify' Judaism" and was derived from the Essene movement -- in this summary he accepts uncritically a wide variety of speculations and poor readings from writers on the Dead Sea Scrolls whose orientation is not accepted by sober Scrolls scholarship. He also alludes, as in his response to Strobel, to the Toledteh Yeshu, making the same errors made by Oliver. Amazingly he also alludes to rabbinic sources for this purpose, even though they are far later than Paul's letters which he has already declared worthless in part because they are written 20 years or so after the fact. What follows is a fantastic reconstruction of multiple "Jesus Movements" -- history invented to explain away history. As with Burton Mack here, there is not literary data nor archaeological data at work -- merely imagination. Here is an amazing comment: Each of these Jesus Movement groups had its own ideas, often networking with others of a like mind, often disputing with others of conflicting ideas. While we have no writings from them directly, we have many quotes from them by contemporary historians, so we have some awareness of what they believed and practiced, if filtered by others. Contemporary historians? Which ones, and where? This is pure fancy and nothing more. By the time of Paul, the Jesus Movements had become extraordinarily diverse. Some were bands of internent preachers, others were guilds of settled craftspeople. Some were simple study groups, others were formal schools of scholastic research. There isn't a shred of evidence for any of this, but one may ask why a unified "Jesus Movement" as we suppose the early church to have essentially been could not have had people of diverse profession and learning curves. Is evidence for difference in professions evidence of difference in ideology? Were craftspeople told they couldn't join the preaching group? While none of what they wrote has survived intact, scholars are reasonably certain of a "Sayings Gospel Q" (subsequently revised at least three times), which is lost to us except where Mark quoted from it much later in "his" gospel, and a Gospel of Thomas, which has survived to the modern era in at least two versions, contain if not the pristine writings of Jesus Movements, at least quotations from them. For material on Q, see here. For material on the fantastic document GThom, see here. Bidstrup next stumps for the psychoanalytic work of John Shelby Spong which results in the conclusion that Paul was a repressed homosexual. I have addressed one point of Spong's "evidence" here. Bidstrup's comment that "Homosexuality was not widely condemned in this region at the time" is factually untrue in terms of the Jewish community; this was not merely Paul's "personal interpretation of Levitical proscriptions". We may deal with the remainder of Spong's "evidence" at a later date; but given Spong's lack of standing in the academic community, it isn't that urgent a problem. Next Bidstrup offers his version-interpretation of epistle events: We can only speculate as to the details of what was discussed during this meeting, but one thing is clear: Peter and Paul had a heated discussion as to just who this new gospel should be preached to, whether gentiles should be included with Jews. He returned to Antioch satisfied that he had convinced Peter and James of his point of view. Actually the discussion wasn't "who this new gospel should be preached to" -- it was, "should the Gentiles follow the law" (and that only indirectly, see here). Bidstrup's further points about the need to "concoct" a new and appealing Judaism are pure fantasy which he derives from his favored sources. Scholars of Judaism (Sanders, Vermes, etc.) know of no such effort to popularize the Jewish religion. Moreover, Bidstrup places the meetings between Paul and Peter and the other luminaries, it seems, after 70 AD! No scholar (or any writer) I know of places Paul in the 70s! This is a paradigm shift that requires much more from Bidstrup than mere "scholarship by gossip". On claims of pagan copying. Bidstrup alludes to Dionysus specifically, even if he can't spell his name. He claims: Dionisus, for example, was depicted as being given a crown of ivy, dressed in a purple robe, and was given gall to drink before his crucifixion. The depiction on a Greek vase from the 5th century B.C.E. even shows a communion being prepared. I have addressed the first two points in my essay, but have never found any evidence for the last two -- especially the third; there is no evidence of Dionysus being crucified until Freke and Gandy's third century depiction. On the last, how does one know that the vase depicts a communion? If it is because bread and wine are served, those were ancient staples in any meal. The vase is more likely depicting lunch rather than "communion!" Finally Bidstrup analyzes each canonical gospel individually (and very, very briefly), with many vague generalizations and begged questions, as well as the usual pschyoanalysis. IOW, preaching to the choir, as he accuses Strobel of doing in Case for Christ. We have already referred to our essay linked above, which debunks much of what Bidstrup offers. Some notes:
In conclusion -- with so few specifics offered, it is rather difficult to effectively address what Bidstrup says, although I think we have made it clear that the topics at issue are far more complex than his soundbites have to offer. Bidstrup deserves not an ounce of credence for his efforts. Go Home! |
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