Apologetics Ministries
[Apologetics Encyclopedia of Bible Verses -- get your answers here! Look up by person's name, Scripture cite, or keyword search]
[What's New!]
[Book Reviews and Bookstore]
[Donate to the Ministry]
[Challenge to Critics]
[Mission Statement]
[Contact Us]
[Why Critics of the Bible Do Not Deserve Benefit of the Doubt]
Search
PicoSearch
Support Us

CrossDaily.com
Awesome
Christian
Sites
Click Here
Vote For
This Site

Christian Top Sites
Christian Top Sites

Print out flyers for your church or school.

Get the entire Tekton site on CD or zipfile. Get a stripped-down copy of this page.

Case Study 2

Defense of "Case for the Real Jesus" Chapters 5 and 6, and Conclusion
James Patrick Holding


Challenge 5: "Jesus was an Imposter Who Failed to Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies" An Interview with Michael L. Brown, Ph.D.

Not surprisingly, Jacobsen remains unaware of the principles of interpretation explained by Miller here, so it is no surpise that he wastes considerable time complaining about OT prophecies not being "clear" (that is, to his uneducated, decontextualized eye) or "specific" enough (to suit him, that is) or being able to be "verified" (that is, by him personally being able to verify the details) or the usual skeptical begged question of history invented to suit prophecy (see here). His response is filled with the usual canards we have addressed before, such as:

Matthew had obviously read the passage in Zechariah to mean that the messiah will be riding on two donkeys. He had actually made Jesus sit on the two animals at the same time! (Try to imagine this!) Note that the last sentence, Jesus sat on them, is not just an oversight on Matthew's part, for he had deliberately altered the whole episode to include two animals (the donkey and its colt). I have italicized the portion where Matthew had changed the singular in Mark to the plural when referring to the animals.

It apparently does not occur to Jacobsen that the plural refers to the cloaks (plural) placed on the animals and not the animals themselves. See more here. Jacobsen is, as is typical, ignorant of the nature of Jewish monotheism which permitted recognition of Jesus as part of the divine identity (see here); he sticks his head as far into the sand as he can as he defines exegesis as "an exercise in forcing Biblical passages to say what you want them to mean, using scholarly-sounding practices like linguistics to make it look like something real is being done." These are the words of someone not competent to perform his own exegesis in an authoritative way. It speaks for itself that he closes:

As such, I don't see the point in commenting further on the rest of this interview, for it is mainly Brown engaging in exegesis. It is just drivel not worth commenting on. This chapter is supposed to be about fulfilled Biblical prophecies, but he doesn't demonstrate any.

I think rather that Jacobsen knew he was in over his head, and so quit while he thought he was ahead.

Challenge 6: "People Should be Free to Pick and Choose What to Believe About Jesus" An interview with Paul Copan, Ph.D.

Jacobsen complains that Copan ignores his counter-arguments, which he does know about. He can afford to, since I defeated Jacobsen's arguments against Copan already. That said, the chapter subject is outside my scope of expertise, other than to note:

  • Jacobsen needs to answer specific points about Midian found here.
  • Jacobsen's understanding of the atonement is primitive, as is his view of hell.
  • It's nice to know Jacobsen can get cheap laughs out of thinking about sexual meanings in the use of the phrase "double entendre." Hopefully when he grows up he can find other ways to amuse himself, too.

    Conclusion:

    Just a few notes in close.

  • The "martyr argument" is more complex than Jacobsen would know; see here (and don't forget the responses to critics, too).
  • In light of this, Jacobsen's question:
    Many Christians assert that if there was no Resurrection, Roman authorities would have been quick to produce Jesus' body as conclusive evidence that Jesus was still dead. Let's imagine that this happened. What would have been the result? Would the apostles have been so demoralized that the movement would have died in its tracks?

    ...is answered, "yes," because it would have cut off any possibility of further conversions. More fervency by the apostles would have only caused them to be regarded as all the more marginal and deviant. The apostles may still have stuck to their guns, but they would have been all that would have been the movement, as it weas formulated.

  • Jacobsen's referral to Cialdini is interesting, but he'd have to show us that the book's findings apply in an agonistic social setting. Westerners signing up for TM classes, and modern doomsday cults, are not a valid analogy to the ancient world. His one ancient example of the Montanists is a poor one, since their beliefs were not actually accessible to disproof.
    Go Home!
  •