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The Jehovah's Witnesses' View of the Relation Between the Father and the Son My investigation of the beliefs of the JWs had some eerie similarities to my initial investigation of Mormonism, especially on this topic. I found "the" major JW apologetic source -- Greg Stafford's Jehovah's Witnesses Defended -- using, misusing, and misunderstanding some of the same sources as their Mormon counterparts, albeit in different ways. I also found (as I predicted) that our initial essay on Wisdom theology also neatly debunks their view. (You'll need to have read that first in order to lay the ground for what I write here.) Finally, I found (as I expected, unlike the Mormons) that the JWs don't put up as much of a fight on the apologetic front. Therefore, the reader may find this essay surprisingly brief. I found Stafford a very amusing read in ways because although he has some hints about Wisdom, he doesn't see the connection and how it refutes his view of Jesus -- most likely because he has no view at all into the intertestamental literature that founded the "crucial conceptual category" that the NT writers put Jesus into. In this light, I found much of Stafford's material quite irrelevant. The question, "Is Jesus Jehovah?" doesn't require a yes or no answer from our side. Wisdom covers this -- Jesus may have been going around as "Jehovah" (Yahweh) at times in the OT, using that name in his pre-incarnate dealings, but Proverbs 8, as we show in the linked essay, would suggest that there isn't a one-to-one correspondence. How may JW belief about Jesus be represented? It is clear that the JWs match with the ancient Arian position of Christ as a "created being" -- differing from Mormons mainly on the point that Jesus was not in some sense eternal. Jesus was created before the universe, the JWs say, but was not eternal. The JWs rightly recognize Jesus' functional subordination to the Father; but for some reason don't understand that Trinitarianism recognizes it as well. [Stafford, 89]. As JW writer Edgar Foster incorrectly states, "Trinitarianism does not allow room for subordination amongst the eternal, necessary, and immutable relations of the Trinity...Subordinationism and Trinitarianism cannot exist side by side." Trinitarianism has always allowed for functional subordination in the Trinity. But JWs deny Jesus' ontological equality with the Father; he is, the JWs say, a completely separate being from the Father -- the Trinity is a construct of (get this!) Greek philosophy. Yes, that's what the Mormons say as well, though they come to a different conclusion ultimately about the solution. This in spite of the fact that their own view, essentially Arianism, was far more dependent on Greek philosophical categories which had problems ascribing divinity to anything material. Much of Stafford's work seems devoted to proving that Jesus and the Father are not the same person. Well, no one, not Trinitarians certainly, thinks that. But the biggest fuss has to do with John 1:1, which reads (KJV): In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Anyone who knows the JWs knows what the issue here is. They want to put an article in the text: "the Word was a God." Well, if you are expecting me to trot out a lot of technical Greek here, and produce arguments against the a, I'll have to disappoint you -- not because I think the JWs are right, but because it makes no difference if they are. Why? First, because it is clear, as we have shown in the linked article, that John's prologue is deeply influenced by the "Wisdom connection". Even if John calls the Word "a god," it is clear from his connection to the Wisdom tradition what he thinks the relation of this "second god" to the first God involves -- something that matches the Trinitarian view, not the JW view. Calling Christ "a god" does not carry with it the freight, "an ontologically separate being." Proof of this? There's more. Second -- clever readers who see my allusion may know what I will say next. We already know that the Jewish historian Philo's vision of the Logos was the same as the Christian idea of Jesus, in terms of the Logos' relation to God the Father. Yet Philo does indeed call the Logos a "second God". If Philo can do this and yet maintain the two entities as ontologically related, in the same sense that we believe Jesus and the Father to be related, then even if the JWs are correct about the reading, "the Word was a god", this says nothing against an ontological relationship in a Trinitarian sense. As I see it the many pages Stafford spends on this subject are a waste of space that a simple consultation of the intertestamental lit he clearly knows nothing about would have spared him. A good look at Bauckham's God Crucified, and a better understanding of the work of Hurtado (which he has, but doesn't understand - 198) would have also spared him. To put it another way: Even if the JWs win the battle over including "a" in John 1:1, they still lose the war over the nature of Jesus, both because of the Wisdom context of John's prologue and because the phrasing "a god" would still accommodate, in light of Philo, a Trinitarian conception of the Godhead. Interestingly Stafford also makes the same assumption that Mormons do in regards to the use of Elohim as a word in the OT [187]. More recently I have been referred to a site by a JW named "Heinz" who is conversant in the Wisdom literature -- but regards it as "damaging to Trinitarians" because it shows that "Wisdom was created!" Sirach 24:9 is quoted as, "He created me from the beginning, before the world, and I shall never cease." But 42:18-21 is not quoted, and that is what makes it clear that while Wisdom (and therefore Jesus) is indeed a "creation" (as Philo says, an effulgence, as light emits from a light bulb) of God, Wisdom is an eternal creation of God and can therefore be spoken of as "created before all things" without any implication that there was a point or time when it did not exist. The most space, however, is devoted to Prov. 8:22 and the verb qanah. In early editions of this essay we offered an extensive analysis of qanah showing that the translation "created" is unlikely -- so much so that Vawter declared that Wisdom was a separate being that God "acquired"! "Heinz" often takes the tack of "quote the versions to prove your point" and compiles around 30 translation cites that render qanah as "created" in Prov. 8:22. None of this is of any effect, for a "created" interpretation of qanah is based on false suppositions. Note how qanah is used in other passages where the context admits no such meaning: Gen. 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Gen. 25:10 The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.(cf. 33:19, 47:20, 50:13, where others qanah land, obviously not "creating" it) Lev. 25:15 According to the number of years after the jubilee thou shalt buy of thy neighbour, and according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee: 1 Kings 16:24 And he bought the hill Samaria of Shemer for two talents of silver, and built on the hill, and called the name of the city which he built, after the name of Shemer, owner of the hill, Samaria. All of these should provide substantial object lessons that merely quoting English versions is a hazardous exercise! Now that said, what of qanah? It is not "created"; the word for that is bara in the creation account. As noted, Vawter sees Wisdom as an "outside acquisition" of an independent being, a view neither Trinitarians nor JWs can accept. No one sees God getting Wisdom or Jesus on cash or credit! But there are cites that show that qanah is concerned with the "possession" aspect of the interchange process, rather than the "transaction" aspect: Gen. 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Prov. 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: Prov. 4:5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Clearly "wisdom" is not something we create or acquire from outside; we cultivate our own attributes from within. Yet we also see it, as in Gen. 4:1 and Prov. 8, used of the imagery of giving birth. The nature of Wisdom to God is of an attribute that is possessed, used, and cultivated (in line with God using Wisdom as a tool to create, in Proverbs 8). By that token, the land that is qanahed is land which is taken possession of for use. [The word for "bought" in terms of a transaction is miqnah: Lev. 25:15-16, According to the number of years after the jubilee thou shalt buy (qanah) of thy neighbour, and according unto the number of years of the fruits he shall sell unto thee: According to the multitude of years thou shalt increase the price (miqnah) thereof, and according to the fewness of years thou shalt diminish the price of it...Jer. 32:14-15, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Take these evidences, this evidence of the purchase (miqnah), both which is sealed, and this evidence which is open; and put them in an earthen vessel, that they may continue many days. For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Houses and fields and vineyards shall be possessed (qanah) again in this land.] Add to this the understanding of the ancients of the interlinking of owner and property, and the conclusion comes that qanah carries the meaning of a possession that is an extension of the owner. In this light Prov. 8 says nothing in terms of the means and method where Wisdom was qanahed and cannot be used by JWs to argue that Christ is a being created as humans were rather than eternal. Next from the JW camp we have the words of one Edgar Foster. Foster has some knowledge of the Wisdom factor, but as with our other JW writers, does not "get" the matter of functional subordination. Here is how he handles, though, one key Wisdom verse, Hebrews 1:3: BAGD indicates that we cannot always discern the meaning of apaugasma. Its active sense is "radiance" or "effulgence"; the passive sense is "reflection" (BAGD 82). This reference work goes on to demonstrate that Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, Theodoret and Chrysostom all accepted the active meaning of apaugasma. F.F. Bruce also suggests construing apaugasma as active in Heb 1:3 as does A.T. Robertson (Bruce 5; Robertson 557). The "active" sense also fits in precisely with the Wisdom descriptor as this word is used by Philo. But now it is interesting to see how Foster tries to trump these commentators with another: Harold Attridge offers a perspicuous observation regarding this issue, when he informs us that "the context of Hebrews itself, where apaugasma is paralleled with 'imprint' (character), may support a passive understanding of apaugasma, although that second term [character] is not entirely free from ambiguity" (Attridge 43). In the final analysis, after discussing Philo and the deuterocanonical book of Wisdom, Attridge has to admit that the meaning of apaugasma is not easy to pin down. He seems to think, however, that the passive sense is more preferable in Heb 1:3 than the active sense. While the precise meaning of apaugasma and even character may be somewhat ambiguous, the overall thrust of the words in the text are clear enough. This is a rather interesting summation of Attridge, and very incomplete. Foster does not tell the reader that Attridge points out that:
We would finally note that the "imprint" language fits in with the use of eikon indicating that Wisdom is God's ordained representative on earth. Thus both active and passive meanings for apaugasma would be appropriate. Finally, we bring back for our readers a brief note on Col. 1:15. Our friend "Heinz" declared to a reader that Col. 1:15 was in a partitive genitive which made Christ the "firstborn" of creation out to be a part of that creation. This would in no sense eliminate an idea of Christ as an eternal creation of the Father, but even so, as Helyer points out ("Arius Revisited," JETS Mar. 1998) there are actually four possible interpretations of the genitive here: 1) partitive (preferred by the Arians and the JWs); 2) comparative (which would exclude Christ from the creation; 3) place (defines the sphere of Christ's rule over creation) or 4) objective (relates to the action of the "firstborn" upon the creation). Helyer notes that option 1) is excluded by virtue of a) the hoti clause of v. 16 and the pro panta of v. 17, which clearly exclude Christ from the realm of created things; b) the language of eikon in v. 15 and pleroma in v. 19, which includes Christ in the full deity; c) the parallels to the Wisdom tradition, in which Wisdom is not a creation as the rest of creation, but is eternally begotten; d) that the partitive would emphasize the -tokos aspect of prototokos (firstborn), something paralleled in the NT only in Luke 2:7. Helyer therefore opts for the objective genitive as the intent of the passage. In conclusion: My readers may be surprised to see me disposing of JW belief in this regard so quickly, but because the groundwork for the correct view is already laid by the Wisdom connection, little else needs to be added. A sober bucket of truth goes far in dousing the match heads of error. Readers recently asked us to look at a JW item titled, "Jesus Christ- Wisdom Personified" on a JW site titled "Scriptural Truths". The piece does not name an author, and the site itself doesn't even bear the name of anyone, so we'll simply assign a name to the author based on a company he registered through: Robin. (The site does not clearly identity itself as JW, either; but it is linked to by a JW site as a resource for JWs.) Update, 7/05: A reader alerted us to a reply made by "Robin" at the end of March 2005, and which we now include response to. Robin plays a game we have seen before from Unitarians: Even though passages like 1 Cor. 1:24 explicitly say that Christ IS the Wisdom of God, it is declared that "obviously" Paul "is not stating that Christ is the attributes, but that these things are personified in him." How and why this is "obviously" so is not explained; and indeed, Robin goes on to quote several patristic writers, as well as J. Vernon Magee, as making the direct equation he refuses: "Wisdom is Jesus." Not, "Jesus personifies Wisdom" but he IS Wisdom. So likewise Robin asserts that Jesus is not the Word, as John 1:1 states, but is a personification. Update: Robin replies to this paragraph: Are we expected to believe that Jesus is nothing more than an attribute of God? His wisdom is an attribute, just as each person possesses wisdom. We do not possess a person or "hypostasis" within ourselves that is that Wisdom. "Nothing more" as a description is rather a red herring; to be an attribute of God is not a "nothing more than" position! But yes, that is indeed the argument, and it is laid out in full in the linked article at the top of this page, which is appears Robin needs to read. We of course do not possess a hypostatis; that is an attribute of divinity, not any sort of being! Robin needs to familiarize himself with how this concept was used in the ancient world, as our article describes. Consider for example that in 1 Cor 1:24 Jesus is also called the power of God. Is he the attribute or is he the personification. The attribute. "Power" was another word that was regularly used of an attribute of deity. For example, 2 Corinthians 13:4 states that Christ lives by the power of God. Is this stating that Christ lives by means of himself? Certainly not. Perhaps we would then consider Luke 22:69, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of... himself? No, most certainly not here either. Robin could also perhaps stand to read Segal's Two Powers in Heaven -- no, the answer is that both Christ and the Father would be called "powers". Hence Robin only ends up affirming our view with this objection. We say he is the personifier of God's wisdom and power, because in all of God's actions God's wisdom and power are seen. We recall Christ's words. John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son is not able to do anything from Himself, except what He may see the Father doing; for whatever that One does, these things also the Son does likewise. That is not an issue for our view, because indeed hypostatic Wisdom would naturally also reveal the actions of the Father. Continuing with the former article: The only argument as such that Robin presents for this purpose is to cite such as Proverbs 2:10, referring to wisdom entering the heart, of which he says, "we see no need to apply it to Christ, for it is simply speaking of the attribute." But that is a miscue on several points. First, Proverbs does not see human wisdom as an "attribute" but as something acquired or possessed. The correspoinding "attribute" is not "wisdom" but "having wisdom". Second, no one argues that each and every reference to "wisdom" in the Bible is to be identified with Christ; only those which refer to God's Wisdom. Robin replies: I think he has missed my point. The very argument I am making is that every reference to Wisdom is not a reference to Christ. This is true even in reference to God's wisdom, as we have seen that while Christ is called God's power, not every reference of it is to Christ. I have not missed this point, but we have addressed the reply point above. Back to the former item: Robin goes on to admit that Jesus "fulfilled" several aspects of Proverbs 8, but this is amerable to a view that either makes a direct Jesus = Wisdom equation, or "Jesus personifies Wisdom", so we skip to where we do have some disagreement. Robin cites Col. 1:16, agreeing as we would that it refers to Jesus, but clearly unaware of the parallels in the Colossian hymn to apocryphal literature which makes the direct equation far more likely. Robin replies: So is he saying I'm right or that I'm wrong? We could venture into apocryphal literature, and I think that is valuable for grammatical and cultural analysis; however for direct theological purposes it is better to avoid it. Robin would perhaps wish he could avoid apocryphal literature, but unfortunately, as the linked article atop shows, the authors of the NT decidedly did NOT avoid it, and thus Robin's case will remain inadequate until he makes the venture. Return: Then it is argued: Moving forward, let us consider the next object of objection. In Proverbs 9 language is used of Wisdom that some simply cannot see having fulfillment in him. Yet, comparing scripture, we note that parallels to be striking. Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house; She hath hewn out her seven pillars: 2 She hath killed her beasts; She hath mingled her wine; She hath also furnished her table: 3 She hath sent forth her maidens; She crieth upon the highest places of the city: The words spoken here have surprising parallel to a parable Jesus used of the kingdom. Note his words. Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, 3 and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the marriage feast: and they would not come. 4 Again he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them that are bidden, Behold, I have made ready my dinner; my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come to the marriage feast. 5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his merchandise; 6 and the rest laid hold on his servants, and treated them shamefully, and killed them. 7 But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they that were bidden were not worthy. :9 Go ye therefore unto the partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast. 10 And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was filled with guests. The house Jesus built is his congregation, whom he has invited to "the marriage feast" (Rev. 19:9). He has prepared the feast and invited many, but not all invited come. Wisdom is spoke of as sending "forth her maidens", just as Jesus sent forth his disciples to preach this good news. Wisdom, Jesus himself, preached even in "the highest places of the city" (Compare Mar. 14:49). This too we need not find disagreeable; Jesus as Wisdom would certainly enact Wisdom's dictates. In the next section Robin addresses the question of Wisdom as a feminine figure, and concludes (as we would) that this is no barrier to any sort of identification of Jesus with Wisdom. In the section following we get into a more critical matter, that of the meaning of qanah in Prov. 8:22 Within verse 22 we find several translations to be provided. Some render it “made”, some “produced”, some “created”, and others “possessed. Which is accurate? In reality, all of them are. Within the Hebrew text we find the word QANAH, which generally is related to acquisition and thus possession. Within the Greek Septuagint we find the word EKTISEN, which means created. Some have taken the position that Wisdom was “possessed” by God, not created, and that this was done from eternity. They, however, confuse the attribute itself with the personification. As we have noted, however, Robin merely creates the confusion out of his own presupposition. But there is no study here or in what follows of qanah from any accredited source. As we have shown, "all of them are" is not a worthwhile answer. Robin errs for example here: The first point we note is that QANAH, as already highlighted, always includes the idea of something that was acquired. The idea of an eternal possession is not found within the use of the term. This is evident from the following verses: Gen. 14:19, 22; 25:10; 39:1; 50:13; Prov. 17:16, etc. The use of QANAH in the Hebrew scriptures is very clear, and any example of it can be checked to see this. But this is a false step, for NO verb in and of itself can denote eternality; denotation of time can only be accomplished adjectivally. Eternality must be ascertained by other contexts; and here, that context for Wisdom is that it is a hypostasis of the eternal YHWH. Thus the following is also misguided in use: This having been said, some argue from here that wisdom should not be taken as created, even though the LXX says such. The argue this based on the use of QANAH, instead of the Hebrew word for create, BARA. Yet, we find a likely reason for the use of QANAH in the context of Proverbs 8 with the Hebrew text, with the understanding of “created” as provided by the LXX. This is explained by the Jewish Study Bible, which relates: “In fact, ‘kanah’ refers to acquisition by means including creation, as here.” We have noted of course that prior to the context of the Arian controversy, there would have been no barrier to using the word "created" of an eternal hypostasis. Thus as well, that the word is used of births as in Ps. 51:5 and Gen. 4:1 is no barrier to the eternality of Wisdom, In terms of the time markers that are given, Robin appeals to 8:23: Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. The argument is thus that if Christ "was set up “from everlasting”, he is eternal. However, this is not what the verse says. The Hebrew word OLAM is used in a number of ways. He what we actually find here in the text is me’olam, which is used in a number of other cases as well. While certainly true is that the expression is used for God, denoting his eternal existence, it is also used in other ways as well. Consider the following example: Genesis 6:4 The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore to them; they were heroes which existed from ancient time, the men of name. These men existed me’olam and yet we would not argue that they existed eternally, would we? The LXX agrees, with both Proverbs 8:23 and Genesis 6:4 using the Greek noun AIWN. Certainly not! In light of the birth imagery used in Proverbs 8, no reasonable person can possibly find the expression to denote his existence to be eternal. Why? Because to claim such would be nothing short of special pleading, with every other use of the term to denote something coming to be that did not exist prior. This is a well established logical fallacy that these ones are forced into in order to maintain a broken theology. It is clear from this commentary that someone very badly needs to read Barr's work Biblical Words for Time. The word 'olam means in pertpetuity; there was no Hebrew word for "eternity" and so the piling on of superlatives (which Robin has no comment upon) as in 8:23 was the only way to express eternality in the Hebrew language, by magnifying Wisdom's immense age (and this is confirmed by the point that it is indeed used of YHWH, yet Robin cannot bring himself to conclude therefore that YHWH was not eternal). At the same time, that the title "Wisdom" was used implies something YHWH possessed at all times YHWH existed; and not even a JW regards YHWH as a non-eternal being. Thus Robin is caught between a rock and a hard place: Either he must argue that YHWH did not eternally possess His own Wisdom; or else he must admit that Wisdom, as a hypostatic production of YHWH, was and is eternal, as indeed concluded intertestamental Jewish texts which the NT writers made use of in their descriptions of Christ as Wisdom. Robin replies to this section in the midst of sentences; thus we resort to collecting all replies to the paragraphs above here: Forgive me for not providing any references. However, this does not negate my position from being true. For example, the Theological Wordbook of the OT says it means " I, get, acquire, create". What more need I say? What more must be "said" has to do with the history behind the figure of Wisdom in Prov. 8. It is this history that Robin lacks when he states: He here uses circular reasoning. He presupposes that Wisdom is "a hypostasis of the eternal YHWH" to argue that in the passage it means Wisdom is eternal. The context has Wisdom has somebody with God, whom God created and did so through birth. But aside from the error of meaning re qanah, hypostatic Wisdom would also be "with" God and be created by God, and birth imagery would also be used (as it was later) of eternal Wisdom. Re the use of the verb, and it not having temporal meaning, Robin clearly "doesn't get it": This is truly an oxymoron. Something created that is eternal. Creation is an action. When was the action performed? In eternity would be the answer. Well when in eternity? An action must be performed. Unless it is a perpetual action, with Wisdom being in a constant state of the creation being performed, this position simply holds no water. And that is precisely what is being said: It is a perpetual action. Wisdom comes forth from God as light comes forth from a bulb; only bulb and light as eternal. I am further puzzled how he simply walks over the birth imagery. Birth is temporal. When did the birth take place? According to verse 23, it was in the beginning. There is neither any scriptural basis for the idea of "eternal creation", nor is there any idea for something or someone being born that was not non-existent prior. What we have here amounts to nothing less than special pleading. As we have shown in the original article Robin missed, there is ample basis scripturally (and historically_ for the idea of "eternal creation" -- and for as well the use of birth imagery for such a thing. The limits are on our ability to draw analogies. Where is this "piling on of superlatives" to be found? Not in Proverbs 8. The most we find is him being PRO AIWNOS (before the age) and EN ARCH (in the beginning). These are references we would expect of Christ. Even the angels would be said to be created "before the age", though not "in the beginning." The second reference here would only be made in reference to that to be first in the created order. Where indeed! Prov. 8:22-26 is nothing but the concept of age repeated again and again and again. This is never done of angels, only of Wisdom. Robin repeats a couple of prior pointsm, but our conclusion remains: Robin's study is thoroughly inadequate. Go Home! |
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