John W. Loftus:  “This is who I am”

 

 

June 29th 2005, 08:29 PM

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Where is God in Infinite SPACE?

But just to be sure. I'm beyond help. I've rejected Christianity, having been a former apologist for it with three masters degrees.

 

 

June 13th 2005, 06:51 PM

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Is there such a thing as an honest doubter?

I, however, and [sic] an honest man, and an honest doubter.

 

 

July 22nd 2005, 02:25 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1125347&postcount=41

What is the relationship of faith and reason?

Look, I am a philosophy instructor. I know very well that I believe things I cannot prove, we all do. I dare say that you could not prove to me that you even have a physical body!

 

 

July 17th 2005, 05:14 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1118204&postcount=42

Preterism Is An Admission That Jesus And The Early Disciples Were Wrong

When I first came on TWEB I had (falsely) expected a civil discussion. That's what I had wanted, and still so.

But when I felt personally maligned, I fought back out of anger and disgust, and I started many different threads.

But that's not me. And I am not antagonistic to the Christian faith, either. That faith saved my life and made me into the kind of person I am today. I will always be thankful for it. I am, however, antagonistic toward people who malign me.

I have many Christian friends, and I have a respect for their faith. I am not bitter toward Christianity at all, although it may seem like that from the threads you have read.

So I've decided to go back to being me. ... I am a kind and gracious man to people who are kind and gracious to me, and usually I'm even kind to people who are not (this is not unlike Jesus).

So here's to a kinder, gentler DJ. This is who I am. This is who I am.

 

 

June 13th 2005, 10:51 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1069868&postcount=80

Is there such a thing as an honest doubter?

JP, you are very irritating, and it's not because you're correct, either.



July 19th 2005, 01:21 AM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1120374&postcount=68

Doubting John’s Argument Against The Resurrection.

I'm sorry but it's very hard for me not to just lash out at you with all kinds of phrases that indicate your very low intelligence level.

 

 

June 29th 2005, 05:38 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1092492&postcount=54

Where is God in Infinite SPACE?
You are an idiot. Anyone who will take the time to read through the thread “Is There Such a Thing as an Honest Doubter?” Will see that. I cannot discuss anything with you because you simply cannot understand a mildy complex argument. You shouldn't even be on this website until you finish your high school level degree. Anything I say gets twisted by you (probably this post as well), so there isn't even a basis for a discussion at all, and I have better things to do. If you were even a half-wit thinker you could answer every one of the questions you asked of me.

As a philosophy instructor I can state and argue convincingly on behalf of what my opponent's may think. I do that, and then trash their argument. Before you can even engage me in a debate or a discussion why don't you try to do just that? Answer every one of your own questions the way you think I would. I don't need to.

 

 

June 30th 2005, 02:50 AM

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Where is God in Infinite SPACE?

My wife was just diagnosed with cancer today. It was a shock to us both. We do not have health insurance--couldn't afford it (we're among that class of people). Now we face $40,000-$50,000 in medical bills without the hope of prolonging her life very far. We don't know how to get that money, but we're going through the procedures anyway. Frankly I don't give a damn about any of your arguments right now. But here's what I'll tell you. If she dies from this in a few short years I'll be an atheist for the rest of my life. Let God show me here and now, and I'll forever believe in him. This is not a threat. It's how I fell deep inside. It's not an argument. It's just who I am.

Will any of you pray for her complete healing? She's 45 years old, and we are as happy together as any other couple I've ever known in all of my years. Will any of you say that God will answer your prayers? Of course you won't. Jesus makes it sound simple, “just say to this mountain move over there and it will be done.” Well, where's your faith then? Believe it with regard to her cancer. Put a post telling everyone who reads this that you really believe God will heal her. Go ahead. He'll do it for you, won't he? I dare you. But if he doesn't, then will you also agree to fork over all of your life's savings to me so that her medical bills will be paid? Now that's faith. Put it in writing too. Mail me a certified copy. Such faith may inspire me to believe and escape the dread of hell. Surely you'd do that for me, if you cared, wouldn't you? But alas, there are no believers in this world today, no matter what you argue. Now you could mail me a check to help with the expenses--boy I can see the money flowing in now! Whoopee! Naw, your specialty is in arguments, not in caring.

 

As insensitive as you've been so far, I'll suppose you'll have an argument for what I've just written. Save it. It'll fall of deaf ears. Silence is all you'll get from me. You, your arguments, and your God are not worth my time anymore.  [This was DJ’s 44th post on TWeb]

 

 

Doubting John demonstrates his “sensitivity” by deliberately exposing JP’s real name to violate his privacy, but this is edited by the moderator.

 

 

 

Edited by a moderator. Well, now, that's doing what Jesus told you to do, isn't it, Edited by a moderator.

Moderator Notice:<acronym>moderator</acronym> notice

We do not allow the outing of poster's real names unless the poster him or herself allows. We also do not allow profanity. Of course you knew this because you read the rules before you signed off on the rules of campus decorum when you registered right? - Pilgrim

 

 

July 8th 2005, 09:55 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1105378&postcount=9

Does God Foreknow The Future?

Hey stupid. I hold the copyright.

 

 

 

July 4th 2005, 10:54 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1098875&postcount=10

Can We Know Whether Or Not God Exists?

The relationship of faith to reason is sort of a catch-22 for me. ...

 

 

July 4th 2005 , 11:56 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1098954&postcount=11

Can We Know Whether Or Not God Exists?

Response posted by “Furor”:

John, haven't you posted this section before?

 

July 5th 2005 , 03:56 AM

Can We Know Whether Or Not God Exists?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1099194&postcount=12

Nope.
Have you ever tried to legitimately respond to anything that I've posted?

 

 

July 5th 2005 , 05:12 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1099300&postcount=13

Can We Know Whether Or Not God Exists?

Response posted by “Furor”:

In fact, yes, you did. You posted it here. http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1084142&postcount=32

 

 

July 5th 2005 , 07:01 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1100203&postcount=15

Can We Know Whether Or Not God Exists?

You're right. I guess I did post it elsewhere.

I'm just getting old. I'll recognize when someone is right. Will you? Will others...when I'm right? I suppose that will yet be seen? Of course, the other option is that I'm never right, right? Is that possible? What are the odds?

 

 

July 9th 2005, 04:14 PM

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Submit Your Candidates for July Screwballs of the Month

You're funny. Anyone who compares what you write to what I write will know that you're a joke.

But the joke's on you.


You just don't realize it.

Which makes it even funnier.

Just keep it up.

Dig your own grave, stupid little girl.

 

Note the contradiction in the next post:

 

July 17th 2005, 05:14 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1118204&postcount=42

Preterism Is An Admission That Jesus And The Early Disciples Were Wrong

 

I am, however, antagonistic toward people who malign me.

 

... I am a kind and gracious man to people who are kind and gracious to me, and usually I'm even kind to people who are not (this is not unlike Jesus).

 

 

July 24th 2005, 05:37 PM

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Does God Foreknow The Future?

Well then, by what you have said I'll give you an Ad Hominem attack and be done with you.

You're an idiot!

And I'll try to avoid your blather from now on.

Claim victory, as I know you will, but that will just prove you are as I say.

 

 

July 24th 2005, 06:11 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1127156&postcount=59

What is the relationship of faith and reason?

I'm sorry Captain, but Ave Maria and I were having an intelligent discussion. You are an annoyance.

 

... But as before, you'll claim the victory, which is what stupid people do when people like me stop responding to them.

Oh, did I single you out here? I meant to.

 

 

July 26, 2005, 04:50 AM

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Parting Thoughts From Doubting John

I wish I could draw. Then I could hit him where it really hurts!

 

 

July 2nd 2005, 09:56 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097106&postcount=75

Where is God in Infinite SPACE?

No, I’m not whining, either. I’m just pointing out something.

 

JP’s saying that I resorted to an Ad Hominem argument when I wrote that “the idiots have found me,” is just one of many many examples. He thought I was making an argument? Then he does lack in intelligence! But since Christians on TWEB have the power they do just about what they want, and in the process are no different than those they wish to convert. Why be like them, I ask, if that’s the way Christians treat others not in the fold? And I’m not whining, either. Just pointing out something, all the while wondering if you’ll get it.

 

 

Oxford English Dictionary.  Second edition, 1989

 

whine, v.

 

    2. To utter complaints in a low querulous tone; to complain in a feeble, mean, or undignified way.

 

 

 

Visit The John W. Loftus Whining Room.

 

 

July 9th 2005, 03:12 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1105708&postcount=123

Submit Your Candidates for July Screwballs of the Month

So then I started another thread called “Where is God in Infinte [sic] SPACE,” and if you'll read through that thread you will understand perfectly why there is this “doubting John movement.”

 

 

July 19th 2005, 04:47 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1120558&postcount=74

Doubting John’s Argument Against The Resurrection.

So, for Jason, and I assume for MM a Bible verse won't do, eh.

This is funny.

Are you guys trying to be funny, because you are!

And what if I exegete this verse in a way you disaprove [sic] of?

Does that make my former Christian faith suspect?

Do you think you've got me now?

Does that also mean that anyone who cannot properly exegete that verse has a faith that I can suspect?

So, you exegete it, in context. And if you don't properly do so, with the important nuances, then I'll question your present faith!

I dare you.

 

 

July 19th 2005, 01:21 AM

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Doubting John’s Argument Against The Resurrection.

I'm sorry but it's very hard for me not to just lash out at you with all kinds of phrases that indicate your very low intelligence level. I'll not do more than mention that I want to do that, though. But I really, really, really do. I'm trying to be nice, I really am. But such stupid questions make it extremely hard to do.

 

... I'm blowing you off. I can't take such a trial anymore. It's simply innane.

 

 

July 23rd 2005, 04:09 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1126404&postcount=39

Four conceptual problems with an incarnate God that have never been solved.

... You're stupid, and I mean it, and I'm not just putting on airs like JP does, either.

 

 

July 23rd 2005, 06:12 PM

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Four conceptual problems with an incarnate God that have never been solved.

I asked myself why you write such stupid things. I really don't think that you're stupid--really. But I asked myself what would make you write as if you were stupid. That is, what is there here that makes you say stupid things?

And one very probable conclusion is that you simply do not want to admit that anything a skeptic says can be true. I've seen this from you in a few other threads. You may fear that if you think I say something--anything?--that is true, then you've just opened yourself up to the possibility that I might say other things are true too.

That's the best I can say with regard to your apparent stupidity.

So, let me make a few statements here:

I believe the earth revolves around the sun.
I believe George W. Bush is the President of the U.S.A.
I believe George Washington, the past President of the U.S.A., is dead.
I believe we are living in the year 2005 A.D.

Okay?

Now that I've broken the ice, is your world still there?

 

December 22nd 2005 , 10:50 AM

The Supernatural is inherently irrational http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1312580&postcount=62

I believe I am not dreaming now, even though I have no empirical evidence to falsify that belief.

I believe I am typing on my keyboard now, even though a demon might exist and is fooling me into thinking that I am, even though there would be no empirical way to test this.

I also do not believe I am a brain in a future mad-scientist's vat who is prodding me to experience what my life was back for me in December of 2005, even though I can have no empirical evidence to the contrariwise.

 

 

 

July 16th 2005 , 06:29 AM

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Re: If Jesus is God, then does God have a body?

DJ,
I think you are being a little disingenuous here.

 

 

July 16th 2005 , 08:47 PM

Re: If Jesus is God, then does God have a body?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1117818&postcount=11

FormerFundy is right. I was being disengenuous.

 

 

 

December 20th 2005, 09:02 AM

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The Supernatural is inherently irrational

ONCE AGAIN. I AM NOT CERTAIN ABOUT MUCH OF ANYTHING.

 

July 23rd 2005, 07:07 PM

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1126540#post1126540

Logical Argument for Christianity

Your psychological evaluation of me is wrong. In the first place, who said I had something called “certainty?” I never said I was certain that I was right. I don't believe that I'm certain, either. Anyone who is certain of something is a fool. Do you think I'm a fool?

 

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