John W. Loftus:
Trapped in Theology Web!
Will he leave ... or won’t he?
“You, your
arguments, and your God are not worth my time anymore.”
--John W. Loftus
a.k.a. “Doubting John”
Theologyweb.com is an online debate forum. On May 26, 2005, under the name of “Doubting
John”, John W. Loftus of
June 9th 2005, 10:00 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1064643&postcount=66
Is there such a thing as
an honest doubter?
If
you either cannot acknowledge this problem because you refuse to, or because
you're not bright enough to, then I'm simply done here.
June 10th 2005, 08:12 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1065942&postcount=69
Is there such a thing as
an honest doubter?
JP,
it was nice to talk with you.
This
is a waste of my time.
Go
ahead, declare victory! 'cause that's what you'll do.
June 13th 2005, 10:51 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1069868&postcount=80
Is there such a thing as
an honest doubter?
I
don't know why I bother here. But go ahead and continue being unfair with me.
June 17th 2005, 05:43 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1075402&postcount=97
Is there such a thing as
an honest doubter?
I'm
out of here. JP's response to you did it for me. I've got better things to do.
June 30th 2005, 02:50 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1093244&postcount=60
Where is God in Infinite
SPACE?
Okay,
I'm done here
too. It seems as though your mission is to get doubters like me off of TWEB.
My wife was just diagnosed with cancer today. It was a shock to us both. We do not have health insurance--couldn't afford it (we're among that class of people). Now we face $40,000-$50,000 in medical bills without the hope of prolonging her life very far. We don't know how to get that money, but we're going through the procedures anyway. Frankly I don't give a damn about any of your arguments right now.
As
insensitive as you've been so far, I'll suppose you'll have an argument for
what I've just written. Save it. It'll fall of deaf ears. Silence is all you'll
get from me. You, your arguments, and your God are not worth my time anymore.
Less than seven hours later ...
“Doubting John” disregards his allegedly ailing wife and posts some more:
July 1st 2005, 09:27 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=55755
July 1st 2005, 11:41 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1096075#post1096075
July 1st 2005, 11:52 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1096086#post1096086
July 1st 2005, 11:58 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1096093#post1096093
July 2nd 2005, 12:17 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=56633
July 2nd 2005, 12:32 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1096127#post1096127
Almost nine hours later ...
July 2nd 2005, 09:56 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097106&postcount=75
Where is God in Infinite SPACE?
For
your information, I was venting. Venting, J.P. That’s not an Ad Hominem
argument, either. It’s venting. ...
So
I’ve done some
thinking and I’ve decided to change my mind. I’m back with a vengeance. Not
hate, mind you. But I refuse to allow you to have your way with me by doing
just what you want me to do, and that is to leave this web site. I decided to
stay on TWEB as a “gadfly.” That’s what Socrates was to the people of his day,
even though I’m no Socrates. Still, that’s what I’ll do. I figure if I post
things here and you read them then they will have their effect on you, sooner
or later. Everything we read has its effects on us—everything. That’s why the
work of an apologist is dangerous work. You’ll know both sides of the case for
and against Christianity, so that when a crisis comes in your life something
just may snap with you like it did to me, and all of a sudden “pop” the opposite
site of the fence looks better. So consider my posts as a kind of pornography.
Once you look at it then you won’t be able to get it out of your mind. Once you
read it, it stays there. But in order to ridicule me and/or deal with my
arguments legitimately, you’ll have to look at it. So look at it. Go ahead.
You’ll see.
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Proverbs
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July 2nd 2005, 10:14 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1097131#post1097131
July 2nd 2005, 10:22 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1097138#post1097138
July 2nd 2005, 10:43 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1097162#post1097162
July 2nd 2005, 10:53 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1097172#post1097172
July 3rd 2005, 04:02 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097445&postcount=118
Is there such a thing as
an honest doubter?
Tophet,
I'm back. See “Where is God in Infinite SPACE,” page 5 for why.
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July 3rd 2005, 03:17 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097393&postcount=9 Can a Historical
Religion Be Believed? Response posted by “Ave Maria”: John, do you actually engage in any discussion? ... |
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July 3rd 2005, 03:57 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097440&postcount=10 Can a Historical Religion Be Believed? Response posted by “Salvation
Found”:
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July 3rd 2005, 02:59 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1097705&postcount=11
Can a Historical Religion Be Believed?
I will respond here and there, but why bother when most of
the time all I get is blather like Futurama's and Tophet's and sometimes
Holding's, and others?
Anyway, right now I'm doing a lot of posting. See the thread
“Where Is God In Infinite Space?” page 5 for my explanation.
[Note to Doubting John: Futurama is a TV show.]
July 4th 2005, 08:51 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1098719&postcount=7
Does God Foreknow The Future?
JP, you asked for it, and now you've got it.
The work of an apologist is very dangerous work, so be forewarned.
If you want to continue policing this website I'm going to keep you very busy.
Good luck to you and your girl Tophet.
The next day, Doubting John posts an
S.O.S. at another site:
07.05.2005, 3:21pm link
Hey guys. I am debating over at theologyweb.com, and I am being over run by Christians. My username is “Doubting John” and I've started several threads. Go to them and put your comments in. They treat me like **** for the most part.
John W. Loftus[@]
Back to TheologyWeb:
July 8th 2005, 04:55 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1104911&postcount=7
Nominate the most irritating TWEBber.
Thank You!
Thank you very much!
Do I get an award...or a trophy?
I really was just going to post a few things and get some intelligent
discussions going. But when I was grossly misunderstood and personally attacked
I decided to leave this site. But then I realized that there are people like
Tophet on this site who's self-proclaimed mission is to irritate doubters like
me so that I will leave this site. That's when I decided to do the opposite of
what they wanted me to do, and I posted things with a vengeance.
I figure what I write will have it's effects on you. From my perspective you
are irritated because you cannot poke holes in my argument in the thread:
“The God of the Bible Doesn't Exist.” That's from my perspective, anyway. I'm
not wrangling with words there. I teach ethics in college classes, and those
are the problems for the whole notion that God is good.
Anyway, I nominate Tophet.
Tophet is an idiot, and in the thread “Screwballs of the
month” I say why.
Tophet
Tophet
Tophet
Tophet
July 8th 2005, 09:49 PM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1105374&postcount=31
Former evangelical minister, now atheist
It is in fact Dan Barker. When I started the thread
“Ex-Christian Testimonies” I contacted several people whom I knew and invited
them on this website. Ed Babinski and I asked him to come join the fun. More
will be coming. In fact, plenty of them are already here.
The way Christians have treated me on TWEB caused me to reach out to others.
Perhaps soon Christians will be a minority on this website. Ha! Won't that be a
hoot! Then the shoe will be on the other foot.
July 8th 2005, 11:17 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1105442&postcount=34
Nominate the most Intellectual Twebbers
Holding smacked me around?
Are you kidding?
Where? When?
I don't see any bruises.
I just didn't bother, yet. He and his side-kick Tophet are just too offensive
for me to bother with. Ya see, for me it's not worth staying in a high level
argument with people like that. But he has the capabilities to have a high
level argument. If he wants one, and it can be kept on a civil level, then I'm
in, and he knows it.
If they had been even mildly polite, I would've stayed with them. I suspect
that they were purposely offensive because they didn't want to stay in the
debate with me, but that's just my opinion.
But I'm also not sure on the validity of converting someone to the other side
through means of intellectual arguments, anyway.
World-view change is holistic, and one never knows which part of the world-view
your opponent might doubt the most if pressed. Most of the time it's a crisis.
You don't believe me, but I was just like he was, and at one time even better
than he.
July 9th 2005, 03:12 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1105708&postcount=123
Submit Your Candidates for
July Screwballs of the Month
So I'm back with a vengeance.
Enjoy! Or Cry if you want to.
I have only begun.
And another S.O.S. here:
Discussion and ex-Christian testimony at Theology
Web
Sunday, July 10, 2005
# posted by Marlene Winell : 12:59 AM
I received the following notice, which may be of interest to ex-Christians:
John Loftus writes: At www.theologyweb.com, I've started a
new thread and I'm inviting anyone who would like to share their ex-christian
testimony to do so there in the midst of the Christian apologetic wolves.
Theologyweb is dominated by smug Christians who think they have all of the
answers to the perplexity of this life, so be forewarned. There are lots of
issues to debate if you want to.
Just login with a username and start an account. Then in the search box type
in: “Ex-Christian Testimonies” and you'll be there. My username is “Doubting
John,” and I have started several threads. To see them you can search for my
username. You may want to tell others about this too.
Back to TheologyWeb:
July 10th 2005, 03:41 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1107334&postcount=2
Answering Doubting
John's Big Three
By the way. You can now make it “Doubting John's Big Four,” and later “five”, “six” and “seven”..... I've started a new thread called: “Four Conceptual Problems With An Incarnate God.”
July 23rd 2005 , 09:28 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1126655&postcount=65
Preterism Is An Admission That Jesus And The Early Disciples Were Wrong
Let's
see, you started by arguing against Preterism, and when I
say that you're right and they are wrong, then you proceed to argue with me
too?
Hmmm.
I'm done here.
July 25th 2005 , 04:07 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1127645&postcount=34
Does God Foreknow The Future?
See my last thread, to be started soon,
called: Parting Thoughts From Doubting John.
You will miss me----Kiss.
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July 25th 2005 , 04:24 AM http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1127653&postcount=35 Does God Foreknow The Future? Response posted by “Captain Ochre”: Hmmm. I dunno about that. I enjoy a stimulating and difficult debate ... and it's hard to imagine one coming from you based on your posts so far (at least the ones I've read). Maybe you were just here selling your book. |
July 25, 2005, 04:39 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1127660&postcount=1
Parting Thoughts From
Doubting John
It’s
time for me to leave you. You didn’t think I would stay here on TWEB forever,
did you?
This is not the place for any high level discussion or debate, so I am out of
here. And since I posted in the Apologetics section quite a bit, I'll leave my
parting wishes here as well.
It’s way too frustrating, and I have other things to do.
I’ll probably check in from time to time, but them again maybe not. I cannot
say either way in advance. I may never come back. What I know is that you
cannot defend Christianity, and I cannot make any headway with most of you.
I made my arguments, and that’s all I can do. But I have no reason to convert
you like you do with me. You can die in your delusions if you want to, it won’t
make a difference to me at all.
... But I suspect you’ll miss me, although several of you will be stupid enough to proclaim victory. “We showed him didn’t we?” Well, no you didn’t. I just don’t want to waste any more of my time here. And I said most of what I wanted to say, anyway.
July 26, 04:50 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1128816&postcount=34
Parting Thoughts From
Doubting John
What
you saw, Captain Orchre, is that I was online again at TWEB.
I
just thought I’d check in one more time, just to see, and copy and paste some
of the things we’ve discussed for my revision. I think a major bookseller just
picked up my self-published book, so that’s why I’m revising. Those of you who
have never invested the time and money that I have in this project will never
understand that you are your own self-promoter because no one else will do it,
initially. So I wrote the first review at amazon to basically tell people what
was inside the book, since I’m not yet involved in the “Search Inside the Book
Program.” But then some of you just won’t understand, now will you?
Some think I’m a coward. Some think I’m arrogant. Some just don’t care. ...
July 26, 2005, 06:33 AM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1128886&postcount=36
Parting Thoughts From Doubting John
Response posted by “Trialvironite”:
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Quote: Originally posted by Doubting John What you saw, Captain Orchre, is that I was online again at TWEB. I just thought I’d check in one more time, just to see,
and copy and paste some of the things we’ve discussed for my revision. |
Excuses, excuses. You can never leave TWeb! Once you're here you're hooked for
life! 
“I’m done over there at theologyweb”
07.28.2005, 8:07pm link
“In regards to going over to Theologyweb.....well, it’s tempting to jump in, but then again, you can’t argue rationally with people who hold an irrational belief.”
Well, that’s what I found out. I’m done over there at theologyweb. A lot of
them are idiots.
John W. Loftus[@]
Two days later, back to Theology Web:
July 30, 2005, 02:08 PM
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1133487&postcount=46
Parting Thoughts From Doubting John
Here's an addition to my book that
came from some objections from some TWEBbers.
So much for “Parting
Thoughts”
July 31st 2005 , 07:16 AM
Parting Thoughts From Doubting John
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1134175&postcount=51
I don't know why I'm responding here, It's just hard not to.
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