Word was dropped to me of late that a certain "Quibbler," a known fundy atheist, "answered" our Quiz for Skeptics. From the looks of it someone copied and pasted the list to him, so that out D-links didn't show, so that in a real sense we can't blame Quibbler for not taking our challenge to answer them. But what he does offer is bad enough and exemplary enough of fundy atheist "scholarship" -- Quibbler added his own "E" answer in every case, and many speak for themselves in terms of the rational and scholarly inability of this sector. Still, of course, we have comments.
Tell the guy that I'm glad to see him too, but that the grovelling and self-effacing melodrama is a bit over the top, even as a charming cultural traditions [sic] go. Not hard to see the orientation from the start. This is an insensitive, bigoted answer, and we will want to be sure that we never make Quibble our ambassador to any Near Eastern country; he'll start a war.
I would go to a real library and choose research from one of hundreds of critical biblical scholars, including theistic and skeptical authors alike. Sure he would. There are actually only a handful of scholars dealing in these issues, and none of them are "skeptical" in orientation. Note as well that "critical" here means, "those who take a view I like."
Even if it were true that cults of mithra dated to after the alleged time of Jesus, this does not mean that they necessarily drew on the Jesus story. Furthermore, even if they did draw upon the jesus story, that doesn't make the myth any more believable. It just means that people borrowed from xian mythology in the same way that xians borrowed from jewish mythology and jews borrowed from others. If they didn't draw on the Jesus story, then I suppose it would be merely a coincidence. Quibble otherwise missed the point of the question, perhaps because he does not know how mythers from this camp work. They take allegedly pre-Christian crucified deities as definite evidence that the Jesus story relied on them.
It's just nonsensical gibberish with no clear meaning. We don't really know what Jesus was trying to say and we shouldn't care either. Translation: "I don't like to read or think." If he really wanted to tell us something he would have said it clearly, rather than talking like a **cking fortune cookie. Translation: "If it isn't said like a modern American would say it, it isn't clear." Please pass the white robe sheet with the eyeholes. While it's not believable that Jesus hated his family, he certainly didn't always show his mother, adoptive father or potential siblings much respect at various times. Without specifics, not much can be said, but presumably Quibble means decontextualized arguments like about this.
A through D are correct, but also, the ancient Israelites were barbaric, psychopathic murderers who preferred plunder to honest toil. I guess Quibble doesn't get that A is a joke and that B and C aren't compatible with D. Meanwhile the Nazis and Japanese could have said the same of us with just as much justification.
They engaged in many of the same rites practiced by the so called Habiru or nomadic Israelite people. Oh? Where is this documented? It isn't. Quibble is confusing different ANE trajectories. The jewish bible confirms that Hebrews adopted many of the same behaviors that the Canaanites did. Uh, yeah, and what does this have to do with what the Canaanites did? Both parties were punished, of course. Even in the xian tradition, god sacrifices his own child, just like the Molech worshippers did in their religion. Um hmm. See here. Big difference between immature child-unwilling victim and mature adult child-willing martyr/hero.
None of the above. However, Matthew was entirely unjustified in pretending that any prophecy was being fulfilled at all here. No honest reading of Hosea 11:1 indicates that a prophecy is being made of jesus. In any event, this so called "prophecy" would describe anyone who passed through Egypt. That this might have been common literary tradition at the time does not excuse it. Of course. Quibble is judge and jury of valid exegetical procedure, without even knowing what it is. If you disagree, you are dishonest. Case closed. Paine is God.
While some of the answers are possible the fact is that we don't know why the sheep might have turned out like this or even if the story is accurate. There is no evidence, other than the testimony of one or more unknown genesis writers that supports it. Therefore, the status of the claim is dubious at best. Not that the epistemic status of the story was at issue in this question to begin with. Quibble just saw a need to plug his freethinker's epistemology, which is followed consistently would render all historical study worthless as we complain that "there is no evidence, other than the testimony of one or more unknown historical writers that supports it. Therefore, the status of the claim is dubious at best." All of history just went down the toilet with Quibble.
Who gives a **ck? Nobody. Hummm...that's what I thought. He thought wrong. Dennis McKinsey gives one.
While A, B and C are accurate, D is a blatant, dishonest apology. While jesus might have been ignorant of the bank systems operated by the romans, What bank systems? Any branches in Judaea? Don't you love this thorough documentation? Rome did have an advanced banking system, but from the looks of it, it was only from the rich to play with. it was indeed quite possible to store wealth with a fair amount of security. No, it wasn't. The scholars disagree entirely, as the link shows. Quibble is just doing the usual, "yeah I say so" tactic these sorts engage for lack of knowledge. Additionally, whether jesus is plagiarizing the works of sages or not, Who said anything about plagiarizing? Paralleling, yes. his advice is ludicrous and rather poorly argued. Yep, all the sages were dumb as dirt and only Quibble knows how we really should have lived in the first century. Amen! Lifespan is not really relevant here, though, if anything, a shorter lifespan should behoove people to indulge now, while they can. It is relevant indeed, and Quibble as much as admits it, for a more "party down" form of the reasons we give in the link.
Again, while A, B, and C are fairly accurate, D is just laughable nonsense. That's the word from Quibble, Ph. D. in Ancient History and NT Studies. Among other things it suggests that the supposedly eternal wisdom of jebus actually has a rather finite shelf life. Uh, well, who said that the application of the wisdom was eternal to begin with? So if Jesus advised people to keep away from dodo birds, and his advice "expired" when dodos became extinct, does that mean he was stupid for saying it? it also suggests that many of the ideas of jesus are outdated. Yes, and so what? Applications of those words are in certain cases outdated. So is Quibble saying that laws regulating the use of velocipedes were stupid because the creators of the laws didn't anticipate that they would cease to exist at some point? All kinds of things might have seemed reasonable under certain circumstances in the time of jesus. But because he does not properly spell out those qualifications, he ends up giving very bad advice to people reading him today. The qualifications don't need to be spelled out. This is Quibble the low context reader reading a high context text from a high context society in which qualifications could be taken for granted as implied.
It doesn't really matter what distinctions existed at the time. You heard it, folks, "it doesn't really matter" because modern systems are superior in every way, shape or form for anyone, including for the purposes of agricultural peasants who would have lived far better lives had they only had a complete list of all the Latin names of animals. A bat is quite clearly nothing like a bird and certainly a divine holy book would manage to make this distinction known. Bats are homoplasic with birds (i.e. they appear to have similar features such as wings, but these are not based on descent). Uh huh. So first Quibble says bats are "clearly nothing like a bird" but then says that they appear to have similar features. Nothing like the subtle art of self-contradiction, especially in adjoining sentences. Apologists like to claim that the bible got it right about rabbits "chewing their cud" when in fact they perform refection upon certain kinds of fecal matter. But now, when it's obvious that there is no way to make a bird actually like a bat, they play a language and culture game. You heard it here, references to language and culture are a "game". The Journal of Roman Studies and books on ancient anthropology are filled with crossword puzzles. Authorial intent means zip. Of course on the rabbit see here.
The ***** of bible apologists trying to explain away other manifest translation problems in the old testament and bizarre claims made by Jesus in the New Testament. There you have it. Quibble's scholarship in a nutshell.
Just throw out vague references to "translation problems" and "bizarre claims" and sit back munching popcorn with Jed Clampett.
All of the above. Uh huh. Whatever.
So Latin studies too are a waste of time.
The author of this question probably means "multiple personality disorder" rather than bipolar disorder in option A. No, they don't. They mean bipolar. B is correct, but may not be the only answer. Yep, challenge and riposte used in other cultures makes them all a bunch of meanies. C is a possible theory He actually thinks it is possible. Amazing. and D is a non-answer that also happens to be wrong. Yep, tell that to all the specialist in the ANE who study stuff like The Man Who Was Tired of Life. It actually doesn't matter whether a fool thinks himself wise or not. Verse 15 also indicates that sluggards think themselves wise, but it does not require that one debate with them. As far as the first sentiment in verse 4, it is ridiculous to think that one loses wisdom by talking to a fool. Nothing of the kind appears to actually happen. Quibble perhaps wouldn't know the difference.
The bible doesn't make a distinction between stars and meteorites because it doesn't appear to be aware that there is any distinction. Sure there is. Meteorites are falling stars. Surely an all knowing god could have easily corrected this misconception in his holy book. "Surely an all knowing god could have kissed my rear to cover my ignorance 2000 years later." Yep. Meanwhile Quibble would have God talk about meteorites when the average NT person has other concerns.
While A is technically correct, Uh huh. See here of course. according to the mythology he was likely born sometime around 0 AD, plus or minus 4-6 years. Since the jesus character could have been based in part on other characters, they could have been pretty much born at any time before the gospels were actually written. Okey doke.
This different sides of the family stuff is ridiculous. "I know nothing about how ancient genealogies were composed or used." If this is the case then the bible is woefully incomplete. So are other ancient genealogies. And why is this a problem at all? We are told in genesis about who begat whom, but they apparently forget to tell us about the other side of the family. I wonder why that is? See the links. The ancients apologize for not anticipating Quibble's ignorance.
A scribal error is still an error. So much for fundamentalists who claim biblical inerrancy. So much for Quibble's knowledge of the Chicago Statement of Inerrancy. No one claims Biblical inerrancy for anything past the originals, except KJV Onlyists. No surprise that Quibble the fundy atheist has no conception of any other type of inerrancy.
Actually the depiction was that of an upside down bowl, surrounded by water on all sides. The Earth was said to be this? Quibble is perhaps confusing the Earth with the alleged "firmament".
They are about as qualified as any other religious council or seminar. Oh, please, no, Quibble -- don't bother to get up from your La Z Boy; Richard Hays and Philip Jenkins will come to you....
By rolling a natural one on a d20. Otherwise you take half damage. "I have no answer, so here's a joke. What do you get when you cross a Quibble with a Persian rug?"
Xians certainly celebrate xmas and claim it as their own holiday. They love that, "Jesus is the reason for the season", when really it has more to do with the axial tilt of the Earth. When pressed to explain the tree and the holly and the yule log they don't have a ****ing clue. But that doesn't stop them from attempting to co-opt the holiday and demanding that non-xians refrain from gift giving around this time of year. That sure was relevant, wasn't it? And who told Quibble to refrain from gift-giving outside his own paranoid little corner of the world?
Genesis clearly incorporates certain legendary stories from the enuma elish and from other ancient literature. The link shows otherwise. It was never claimed that the stories are identical, though the flood story is strikingly similar and other stories, such as that of the garden of eden and the fall of man are also found in pre-Hebrew mythology. Hmm. Couldn't suggest a common source in real history, could it? Nah....
Hume appears to be right, at least in this case. You heard it here. Believe in ice without seeing it and you're stupid.
None of the above. In fact scientists can agree that natural selection occurs through many well known and documented mechanisms. For example, sound bites. The point is, they don't agree. Gradualism and punctuated equilibrium and Lamarckianism are mutually exclusive.
Quibble only offers a crude sexual comment. Need we note more?
There isn't agreement as to what it means. It is possible that David and Jonathan had a thing for each other. David was certainly sufficiently over-sexed for this to be a live possibility. The link proves otherwise. Enough said. But in reality it doesn't matter much since the weight of evidence doesn't support the existence of either one. Yep, them inscriptions mentioning the House of David are just a fundy conspiracy. Actually no one in the ancient world existed; they were all myths.
Quibble proposed doing violence to the man. There's humanist love for you. 
I didn't know that "religions" or "skepticism" could file for bankruptcy. What did they spend all their money on? Quibble has never heard of "bankruptcy" used to refer to intellectualism....case in point.
Xians need to stop lying to defend their erroneous myths about jesus. Nothing like a relevant comment to settle the issue!
None of the above. Sin is not infinitely evil just because a supposedly infinite being is judging it. By that standard, sin would be a chocolate fudge sunday [sic] if god happened to be hungry. That made so much sense I almost converted! Most so called sins are not even covered in the ten commandments. For example, if homosexuality is so evil then why wasn't it covered in the decalog [sic]. What makes the Decalogue the only location sins can be recorded? The likely answer though is that homosexuality was relatively rare among the denizens of the ANE. In any event, sins are often committed against other people, not god. How does stealing an apple from farmer John become god's business all of a sudden? The answer is that it doesn't. Torah was made up by lying humans. It does whether Quibble likes it or not. How does stealing an apple from farmer John become the police's business? Never heard of crimes also being against society, eh? This is what I mean when I say people like this have no sense of the holy.
E. None of the above. A is obviously flawed because the craft is possible evidence for the existence of aliens, contrary to the assertion. And he doesn't get the parody.... B is ridiculous because we are not using the craft to explain anything. We aren't? Not to explain how it came to be what and where it is? C is contradicted by the evidence So is the claim it parodies.
and D is only true once we dismiss the possibility that the evidence has been staged and/or that other humans have not manipulated and misinterpreted key data. Yep. Now who was it who staged or manipulated the universe? Speak up!
Something that theists fight against rather than having to face the actual arguments of atheists. For example, this whole questionnaire is a series of straw men. Never mind that they all reflect actual answers atheists Skeptics have offered. Quibble needs to get our more and talk to his friends.
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There is no substitute for seeing the smoke and flames with one's own eyes. The smoke may very well be coming from the neighbor's backyard, where he is burning weeds. Yep, this in spite of B, huh? One is loath to believe in invisible, smokeless, odorless fires exist and likewise is skeptical about invisible gods. Oops, it says above, you smell smoke. That's typical: Pretend the evidence doesn't exist.
Theories are never proven. Sound bites are often administered.
Jesus isn't a theory. Huh? What's the relevance of this comment? But I will start with the same proof demanded by the apostle Thomas and go from there. And shall likewise be chastised for being so snotty.
Strangely, Thomas didn't believe the sworn testimony of the other apostles. This suggests that their accounts might not have been altogether reliable, if we are to believe this story to begin with. Um, yeah, couldn't be that Thomas was being irrational in his demands, could it? According to Quibble, that part is believable; the rest isn't because it's not convenient. If they were so unreliable, why was Thomas even still hanging with them?
Quibble only offers a crude sexual comment. For the second time. That's so much easier than a detailed study of life in the ANE, isn't it?
You might want to investigate some world views. But the most important thing is to think for yourself and develop your own philosophy that works for you. Oh. So if it "works" it is true. That makes sense. It's option C. If this coincides with a particular religion then you have probably done something wrong. Hmm, we couldn't be showing a little bitterness, could we? It's also A.
This is not a valid appeal to authority. You heard it here. Appealing to qualified, educated historians is not valid. Consult Quibble instead! Xians had a very bad habit of destroying or rewriting "evidence" that contradicted their beliefs. Ah yes, the usual bit of butter -- see here. And of course Quibble somehow knows what all these destroyed and rewritten documents originally said? In any event, what counts is specific evidence that jesus actually did the things claimed. The name jesus was a common one and I'm sure that someone of that name existed. He might have even taken some actions similar to jesus. But the real question is whether this person's life matches the bible closely enough to determine that in fact there was an historical jesus. That can only be determined by solid evidence, of which xians have none. See link above. And of course, the Gospels are excluded automatically by virtue of them not supporting Quibble's point. Never mind explaining why.
Hume does not necessarily rule out the experience of miracles. It's just that most people do not experience miracles and lacking such experiences people are being irrational in expressing confidence that they do occur. Once more, the fine art of contradicting yourself in consecutive sentences. We might recommend a recent book out there titled Hume's Abject Failure.
Options A through D are possible, but none are guaranteed to be correct. That's the way -- avoid answering and giving a positive alternative!
This is not a parody. Also, I didn't get together with anyone to answer these. In short, he doesn't get the joke, which is fine in this case. But I have refuted pretty much every question in this survey. Yep. Just a sound bite at a time. No sources needed! I'm not surprised that a theist would try to add an unfalsifiable clause to the end of his ludicrous ravings. That that doesn't make any of his nonsensical theistic gibberish actually true. Um hm. Well, Quibble, just drop us a line at jphold@earthlink.net and we'll take you on head to head and see who buckles under pressure. Remember to read the links this time.