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In What Form?

And, Who Ya Talkin' to, Lord?
James Patrick Holding


John 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form...

Skeptic C. Dennis McKinsey notes this verse and says it is contradicted by the many places in the Bible where people hear God speak. The basic answer here is simple: Jesus is speaking to a specific group of people, not everybody including dead OT figures.

A simple solution, yes -- and it gives us a chance to expose one of McKinsey's Skeptical tactics (which others likewise follow). When a letter-writer pointed out the same thing in the 87th issue of the BE newsletter, McKinsey offered this tortuous response:

...how do you know his comments were only intended for the people being directly addressed at that time? This kind of problem is very common throughout the Bible because of nonexistent biblical guidelines. If I followed your train of thought, I could say that the Sermon on the Mount or the Sermon on the Plain only applied to the people being addressed at that time. Many commandments, rules, moralisms, and statutes are laid down in the Bible. How do you know when they apply only to the person or people being addressed as opposed to mankind in general? When Jesus said "Ye" in John 5:37 I felt this applied to all of humanity since most of his comprehensive statements beginning with "Ye" apply to mankind in general. If I erred, then large parts of the Bible become nebulous and open to interpretation as expediency dictates. When rules, laws, and moral precepts are laid down, how do you know to whom they are directed?

This is simply a very poor attempt by McKinsey to get out of a preposterous error. The comments in John 5:19-47 are indicated to be an "answer" to "them", and specific reference is made unto those who sent to John the Baptist (v. 33), so that a very small group -- at most, those Jews living at the time who saw John -- can be referred to. Beyond that, let us address this matter of the Sermon on the Mount, etc. by asking this question: When Confucius taught his Analects in a teaching setting, was he speaking just to his class, or to everyone? The answer is everyone, and that is because in didactic contexts like the Sermon, even though only a small group may be present, it is assumed that the application are universal. Likewise, when an ancient king created laws, and they were announced publicly, it was never assumed that they applied only to those who listened. The key here is genre, and in that respect, John 5:19-47 is a direct answer to a charge and actions of Jesus' opponents (vv. 16-18). The Sermon, Sinai, and Confucius teaching the Analects are not. Such matters only become "nebulous and open to interpretation" when one completely ignores the context.


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